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Love, Hate & The Weather: An Auspicious Beginning

Love, Hate & The Weather: An Auspicious Beginning

In Chapter 1 of the Out of Eden Walk podcat "Love, Hate & the Weather: India," Paul crosses the Pakistani border into the Punjab region of India to meet Arati Kumar-Rao, his Indian walking partner.

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1, 9 - 12+

Subjects

Storytelling, Anthropology, World History

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This is Chapter 1 of the Out of Eden Walk podcast “Love, Hate & the Weather: India.” Listen to the next Chapter here, find the full India episode here, and find the Love, Hate, & the Weather Collection here.

Transcript (English)

- I grew up in Bombay, and I consider myself very much a Bombay girl. And when I was growing up, it was called Bombay, which is why I still refer to it as Bombay. It's now called Mumbai. We lived in a fairly wooded colony in a tiny little suburb of Bombay, and it was very quiet, and I had all the space, and the trees, and the birds, and, you know, cycling paths and things like that. Tennis courts, swimming pools, all kinds of things. So it was a pretty privileged childhood. Something quite different from what most people growing up in Bombay experience. My father is an engineer, but also an environmentalist who marched with the Save the Western Ghats Movement in the 1980s. And so nature walks, especially every Sunday morning, were par for the course at home. Mom is a school teacher, and insisted on good communication skills for both my sister and for me. When I graduated from college, undergrad, I had made a list of 50 things that I wanted to do in my life before I died. I don't know why I made that, but anyway, so I found it the other day, and the top three were all this, you know, follow this river, follow that river, you know, travel this part. I've always wanted to travel overland from Xi'an to Istanbul, following the Silk Route. So various things, those were my aspirations, to basically do things slowly and document landscapes.

- While I may be walking through the global headlines of our times, my daily encounters with ordinary people at boot level keeps things pretty grounded, pretty intimate, and very human. What do I hear, over and over again, in these conversations across the world? Well, whether it's a camel nomad in Ethiopia or a conceptual artist in China, we always get down to the universals. Who do you love? What do you hate? And of course, the weather.

- The minute I first met Paul is so vivid in my mind. It was the 27th of February, 2018, and Paul had been parked in Lahore for quite a while, and unfortunately, he'd picked up a stomach bug, and so he was delayed. So we were, you know, kind of ready on this side of the border waiting for him to come. Of course, it's a heavily, you know, patrolled area and stuff like that, and there's a border crossing, and waiting, waiting, waiting. And I remember saying, okay, I'm just going to pop over to the restroom and come back, and, you know, hoping Paul will make it out by then. And I go to the restroom, and when I come out I see this man standing, well, he's the only white guy there, standing with these huge, two huge donkey bags by his side and a backpack. And I was like, okay, this has to be Paul, right? So I go up from behind him and I ask him, "Paul, what would you do if I didn't show up?" And he turned around with this huge smile and he says, I'd just start walking.

- It was a day of great anticipation. You know, I'd been communicating with you for years, literally, right? You know, exchanging story ideas. And so I was really looking forward to meeting you.

- It was so fun. We stopped, we had some chai at the border before we set off.

- From a street vendor who I remember had this kind of electric smile, right. This guy selling chai right outside the immigration office. That's right. And I have a photograph, Paul, of us, the three of us, you, me and the chai vendor. And I remember, I was so petrified of slowing you down because I wasn't sure, I had never walked with someone who was walking the world of course. And so I was so petrified of slowing you down that I set off at this pace and you were like, wait, stop. Why are you walking so fast?

- Yeah, at that point I got a little worried. So yes, I thought, okay, I'm gonna have to kind of up my game, catch up with Arati, you know?

- But then, I think the joke was on me because I had no clue that I had to pace myself because I came down with the worst blisters that day. I remember we stopped that night at the Amritsar, and I was so embarrassed because here was Paul Salopek, two-time Pulitzer Prize winning, National Geographic fellow who is sitting at my feet and nursing my feet, which is just blistering up. I was like, oh my God, what have I done?

- You were such a stoic. You did not complain at all. You were walking on raw nerve ending by the end of that day. It was super hot. It was the beginning of a very hot walk, right, through India, on tarmac road no less, which is like walking on top of a hot griddle. So you're poor feet, yeah. In terms of nursing feet, you weren't the first, believe me. I've learned to nurse a few.

Transcripción (Español)

- CAPITULO 1 UN COMIENZO AUSPICIOSO

- Crecí en Bombay, y me considero totalmente una chica de Bombay. Y cuando yo era niña, se llamaba Bombay, por eso todavía lo sigo llamando Bombay. Ahora se llama Mumbai. Vivíamos en una colonia bastante arbolada en un pequeño suburbio de Bombay, y era muy tranquilo, tenía espacio, árboles, aves, caminos para andar en bicicleta y cosas así. Canchas de tenis, piscinas, todo tipo de cosas. Así que fue una infancia bastante privilegiada. Algo muy diferente a lo que la mayoría de personas experimenta al crecer en Bombay. Mi padre es ingeniero, pero también ambientalista, y marchó con el Movimiento para Salvar los Ghats Occidentales en los años 80. Así que los paseos por la naturaleza, especialmente los domingos por la mañana, eran parte de la rutina en casa. Mi mamá es profesora, y siempre insistió en que mi hermana y yo tuviéramos buenas habilidades de comunicación. Cuando me gradué de la universidad, hice una lista de 50 cosas que quería hacer en mi vida antes de morir. No sé por qué la hice, pero en fin, la encontré el otro día, y las tres primeras eran cosas como seguir este río, seguir aquel río, viajar por tal parte. Siempre he querido recorrer por tierra desde Xi'an hasta Estambul, siguiendo la Ruta de la Seda. Así que esas eran mis aspiraciones, hacer las cosas con calma y documentar paisajes.

- Aunque camino entre los grandes titulares del mundo, mis encuentros diarios con personas comunes, a nivel de calle, mantienen las cosas con los pies en la tierra, muy íntimas y muy humanas. ¿Qué escucho una y otra vez en estas conversaciones por todo el mundo? Bueno, ya sea un nómada del desierto en Etiopía o un artista conceptual en China, siempre terminamos hablando de lo universal. ¿A quién amas? ¿Qué detestas? Y, por supuesto, del clima.

- El momento en que conocí a Paul por primera vez lo tengo grabado con mucha claridad. Fue el 27 de febrero de 2018, y Paul llevaba un buen tiempo detenido en Lahore, y desafortunadamente, había contraído una infección estomacal, así que se retrasó. Estábamos, ya sabes, preparados de este lado de la frontera esperando a que llegara. Por supuesto, es una zona con mucha seguridad, con un cruce fronterizo, y estábamos esperando, esperando, esperando. Y recuerdo que dije, bueno, voy a ir rápido al baño y vuelvo, esperando que Paul ya hubiera salido para entonces. Voy al baño, y cuando salgo veo a este hombre de pie, era el único hombre blanco ahí, parado con dos enormes mochilas tipo burro a su lado y una mochila en la espalda. Y pensé, bueno, este tiene que ser Paul, ¿no? Así que me acerqué por detrás y le pregunté: "Paul, ¿qué habrías hecho si yo no llegaba?" Y él se dio la vuelta con una enorme sonrisa y dijo: Me pondría a caminar.

- Fue un día de mucha expectativa. Sabes, había estado hablando contigo durante años, literalmente, ¿cierto? Compartiendo ideas para historias. Así que tenía muchas ganas de conocerte.

- Fue muy divertido. Nos detuvimos, tomamos un chai en la frontera antes de comenzar.

- De un vendedor callejero que recuerdo tenía una sonrisa eléctrica, ¿cierto? Este tipo que vendía chai justo afuera de la oficina de inmigración. Exacto. Y tengo una foto, Paul, de nosotros tres, tú, yo y el vendedor de chai. Y recuerdo que estaba tan asustada de retrasarte porque no estaba segura, nunca había caminado con alguien que estuviera recorriendo el mundo a pie. Y estaba tan asustada de hacerte ir más despacio que empecé a caminar rápido y tú dijiste: espera, para. ¿Por qué estás caminando tan rápido?

- Sí, en ese momento me preocupé un poco. Así que pensé: tengo que ponerme al nivel de Arati, ¿sabes?

- Pero luego, creo que la broma fue para mí, porque no tenía idea de que debía medir mi ritmo y terminé con las peores ampollas ese día. Recuerdo que paramos esa noche en Amritsar, y me sentía tan avergonzada porque ahí estaba Paul Salopek, ganador de dos premios Pulitzer, becario de National Geographic, sentado junto a mis pies y cuidándolos, llenos de ampollas. Y yo pensaba: Dios mío, ¿qué he hecho?

- Fuiste muy estoica. No te quejaste en lo absoluto. Caminabas con los nervios al rojo vivo al final del día. Hacía muchísimo calor. Era el inicio de una caminata muy calurosa, ¿cierto?, por India, sobre asfalto, nada menos, que es como caminar sobre una plancha ardiente. Así que tus pobres pies, sí. Y en cuanto a cuidar pies, créeme, no eras la primera. He aprendido a cuidar unos cuantos.

Credits

Created by

National Geographic Impact Story Lab in collaboration with Paul Salopek and the Out of Eden Walk

Developed by

Chris Dye

Taylor Schuelke

Executive Producer

Davar Ardalan

Senior Producer

Eli Chen

Sound Designer

Hansdale Hsu

Original theme music

Push Audio

Fact-checker

Julie Beer

For National Geographic Impact Story Lab

Executive Producers

Vanessa Serrao

Kaitlyn Yarnall

Director of Production and Development

Chris Dye

Director of Impact

Sarah Joseph

Senior Producer

Mary Stephens

Producer

Taylor Schuelke

Production Manager

Maíra Ferranti Corrêa

Production Coordinator

Jessica Wang

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August 14, 2025

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